so I can call this lovely meeting to
order but I'm going to look over on your
copy of the agenda that I can pull up my
screen yeah our starters business is to
review and approve the meeting minutes
from January 28th I look those over I
don't have any comment question to make
okay I just page two or I just the first
into the first paragraph where I talk
about consider going to do the who's
going to do the snow removal in a winter
from it should be from the sidewalk
solar panels so with that correction I
make a motion to proof was a minutes
second all in favor all right you've
also seen the vendor and payroll ones so
do you have any comments on that
okay next time for public on it this
would be comments from the public
related items are not listed on the
agenda and I'm sorry to say there are no
polarities tonight just for those of you
who might have been getting your hopes
up
okay seeing no hands going up we've got
a scheduled appointment to consider the
change of manager request from NEC co 1
Inc which is the Whateley donor and we
should be someone I believe here ok
great so yeah they though the I ever
submitted a request name is for the
change of manager or their round it's
the alcohol is wine and moff license
right which is my time up so we have
done the appropriate background checks
and we don't have anything else to
provide effective so Lee is here if you
want to ask any questions
so Lee are you are you the new manager I
am you are the general regions there you
go okay okay welcome - thank you
are you resident or a little but close
by anyway okay okay so you'd be coming -
he comes a diner every day then I've
been here three years as a manager
policy but we're just recently as I'm
sorry a good question time
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you actually manager as in anything
beyond tension a finger ketchup bottles
they do a lot of changes have been made
I've been here for two years as a
general manager just cleaning the place
up stricter rules as far as employees
and customers and things like that it's
it's really cleaned up a lot as far as
the alcohol it's still the same we serve
11:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m.
12:12 p.m. on Sundays and it's only a
two beer minimum limit and they have to
purchase food I apologize for coming in
late yes I gathered that my only
question is I Drive by the diner all pop
and I don't know whether you're aware
that when we provided the alcohol
license attenion no no that's the price
in seven eight years ago maybe we
created an impact traffic pattern for
the large trailer trucks and
the trucks aren't adhering to that
pattern anymore but if you are facing
the diner from 510 the road immediately
to the left that wouldn't you go into
the diner parking lot they're not
supposed to exit by that driveway and
there were signs there once they're
still there they're still there but
they're not adhering to them and that
was one of the when and I know you
weren't here so I that I'm just giving a
little bit of background when we had
neighbors coming to discuss the alcohol
license their concern was the traffic
back and to minimize the the chance for
some kind of an accident do or not do to
alcohol intake it was a breed that all
trucks would exit down going south and
then curd whether they're going north or
south on five ten they would take that
exit and and that entrance by the
parking lot would be strictly in an
entrance as opposed to an exit to
prevent births when you're talking about
the one that hugs the diner first okay
okay they're not supposed to come in
they're not supposed to X or exit that
way and there are signs and yeah and
they and they are and and I've noticed
it a lot you know when I say a lot you
know something it's a daily thing but
more than I used to and I'm convinced
that it just because of a lack of
awareness so but I just wonder us as the
new manager whether there's something
you can do to to get it right again
because it was right for a long time so
I'm still trying to feel this one out
but kind of cement I'm sorry I'm going
up there oh because the gas station is
primarily in charge of the parking lot
and the truckers that come in there I
deal with them when they come into the
restaurant
I mean there's something like and
certainly as
those two and again I maybe not remember
into to quote Roger Clemens
I may be misremembering but the
ownership of the gas station and the
diner at that point was the same yeah
that may not be the case and it is still
the case yeah so the people who came in
here looking for the alcohol license
wasn't the man but that was not the
manager that was the owner okay so as
the manager I would hope that you would
have a voice if it's a good or something
that you would have a voice to that
owner yeah and again it's not your
bailiwick yes yeah but but it was one of
the what am I one of the requirements of
any action just accept the default okay
thank you
motion motion to accept the new manager
to Whalley diner
Lee yeah all right okay great thank you
so much for that manicure thank you Hey
under Oh business Sally when I discuss
and possibly both to enter into contract
advance EEP & WM recycle america LLC
recycling services and we got a copy of
an interactive yeah and I did not get a
chance to read over what you said that
council review but it sounded like it
wasn't he doesn't have any substantive
changes that would prevent us from
scientists tonight we talked about this
really in Debian probably two meetings
ago it really reflects the state of the
recycle market currently banned it I
mean there's so this is a contract
between NASA DEP all the dissipated
communities who are going to use an
immersion and WLAN recycle America so in
this situation is really not lobby may
have recommended some language some
warning changes it's not really gonna of
a substance okay sorry we don't need to
vote because we did that before do we
need a vote um I think would be good
have a vote okay I'll make a motion that
we vote to enter into the contract
between bestie EP and the contractor for
the dual stream designated community
that's an untenable but sadly I will
second it because I see this as being
rife with problems down the road that it
just got a bit up and it's just gonna be
a disaster but I'll second it all in
favor all right
okay you're so people folks at home no
recycling is still cheaper than toss it
in the bag and putting it in the non
recycle okay that's the one drives me
nuts when the newspapers put articles
about how expensive recycling is going
to be and they never remember saying oh
but it's cheaper than putting it in a
landfill oh and there's no little tween
Phoenix right here Yeah right are we
gonna at some point talk about the face
for people using the recycling so yeah
Fred for Tina's going to be at the next
event select for clients committee
meeting
okay so we can what we're doing yeah we
can talk about the best way to pay for
the increases okay
I figured that was more appropriate time
to discuss it because we have both
boards that have interest in that
discussion okay all right well while the
signatures are going by their next item
is to discuss and vote excuse me
possibly to award a contract for the
Lewisburg Road bridge project so we
don't have a recommendation to award
tonight but we would like to discuss it
okay that's why can't be that's that's
what I understand from the packet so the
pigs were due I think was last week two
weeks ago you see for bids and I'm going
to pull it up in the low bidder was
quite indeed Davenport trucking I
usually make up Greenfield all the bids
were relatively close overall with
another hundred thousand each other so
the vehicle the lowest bid was 567 four
hundred thirty seven dollars five
hundred sixty seven thousand four
hundred thirty-seven dollars that was a
base bid the alternate bid was eighty
four thousand four hundred fifty nine
for a total bid of 650 1896 dollars
that's for the base plus option of one
we have a small bridge grant that we
received from the state for four nine
four four hundred ninety seven thousand
dollars or were estimating at one
hundred one hundred and four that's
buried in design and then there's
additional amount that's going to be
needed for a while water quality
monitoring that's a condition imposed by
the Conservation Commission on the
project because well because the city of
Northampton requested it because the
brook that the two bridges crossing feet
the lower reservoir so we have around we
estimated around three hundred eighty to
eighty thousand dollars left in the
grant so we have really a shortfall that
we need to discuss about how we manage
that
so if you keep you on anything point but
yeah I couldn't another thing that's
also being done is engineer our engineer
is come back to MassDOT the bridge
engineer and sharing with them the
information
and seeing you know what their thoughts
are whether there's any possibility of
us getting more of the Bri money which I
certainly don't think it will work in
the timing that we needed but we're
gonna look at that option but getting
back to my chapter 90 where we're at I
have a balance right now one hundred
forty-four thousand dollars with the you
had those in front of you yes okay so
with the supplemental money that we
received as of January 1st of this year
gives me a total available of 158,000
anticipated funds in other words what we
would probably be looking at in
receiving for chapter 94 this upcoming
fiscal year well depending on whether
they go back to their old number or
include that supplemental will vary from
anywhere from vomiter under the 44 to
159 so potential available as of July
1st would be 303 600 so 318 when I then
factor in the projects that we have
already committed and need to do this
summer out of chapter 90 money which are
all listed there
those those projects come up to 56,000
dollars and then when you subtract the
lower end of the potential
available as leaves us in the vicinity
if I was to commit all of the remaining
chapter 90 money it's two hundred and
forty seven thousand which leaves me
about twenty thousand dollars short
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so just to reiterate that you know that
with my chapter 90 that I need to do
which is 56,000 for this and I'm doing
things pretty you know looking at things
pretty tight pretty conservative to see
just how much but really stretching it
every nickel if how much I can apply and
I come up with like to say that two
hundred forty seven thousand which if
you look at the very bottom the where
we're short to 69 and that leads us
short about twenty one thousand dollars
and we would have to potentially still
find another source if I commit all of
the remaining chapter maybe that I have
carried forward and getting this year
that being said the other you know
certainly I'm not recommending it but
because we've already this this problem
the road got closed in 2010
so we've already had it down and out for
ten years I'm not by any means saying we
should try to check up and go home and
pull the plug on it we've already we've
already invested money in it and if we
did that we're not going to ever see
anything for that money that got
invested
and so my recommendation is we find some
way somehow to to see it through
keep that 21 and change it not be made
up through just labor from you guys no I
mean at the moment that's a hard numbers
out of a contractor the one thing that
I'm saying you couldn't do part of that
contractor work well the one thing that
again the week since we just got these
numbers and haven't had a chance to
fully dissect them and that is the
alternate one that the contractor bid on
was to do the completion of the the
tying in of the roadwork from the from
the bridge to the existing Road there's
some work that we did it that way so
that if we wanted to have the tongue do
it we could do it however I got theirs I
will still have expenses in that there's
some you know I'm I still have to buy
gravel I still have to provide guardrail
so there's still some expenses that are
prepared by us but I may be able to
cover that 21,000 I haven't had a chance
to make that determination yet so the
alternative one says eighty four
thousand dollars so if we did not ask
the contractor to do the alternative
would work you're saying that's worth it
not that before I could potentially save
that cover that twenty one thousand or
cracked but your your
you say you can't do all of the work
that they would have done for $84,000 no
or you can do a lot I can we can do it
I'm just saying that I can't I can't
make the 84 disappear you're within that
84 there's some things I still have to
buy Oh
understood so I'm getting I'm trying to
get an idea home if we don't have them
do that work and you do that work how
much and then I don't know yet aw yeah
okay just a fact that numbers are just
coming in to us
understood okay thank you same thing
okay so do I understand this correctly
if you were to use your one option here
is to use all of chapter 90 you have
remaining this year plus all of next
year's well and you still wouldn't have
enough you would be 21,000 short if if
we have the contract just do it all
right well if we tell the contractor
you're only going to do the basement
then we have 84 thousand dollars of
which I would hope that we could still
do the job and not spend the eighty four
thousand and make up
but you're still looking at you're not
gonna have much left go to either way so
what what are you for going if you did
this if you did with chapter 90 for two
years what are you going to fall for
this year and next year
well I mean at this point what I can
tell you is we're in a little bit of a
better situation than the aspect that I
basically been carrying I've been
anticipating this and we're carrying on
or going for it forward to last year so
the amount of money that we would be
getting which will be usually sometime
in April is when we would get our next a
lot better
we'll be getting a letter available in
April of 2020 which will be the money
for fiscal year 21 and then it would
mean that we would have to do these
projects that I have on the list but
then I wouldn't be able to really do
anything and it's all the following in
July which isn't too too bad I'm not
having to really skipper a year will
your materials go wah in what Terri seem
to go up
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as far as i'm we get into a china
so yeah but i mean that the the numbers
that I have here in front of me for for
the stuff that I'm doing this summer
yeah those numbers are already set those
will not change two suggestions here I
think we should pursue before we decide
on this one is to go back I think you
prefer to go back to the state and ask
them if there's more money since this
was a 2010 appropriation of what four
hundred ninety seven thousand yeah if
you you know if we present the case to
O'Brien of looking at the increase in
construction cost every year which is
like four percent a year and four
percent for ten years and what are you
going to come up with I mean you're
you're gonna add beyond a bit quite a
bit more I guess I would ask the state
you know if you're gonna this is ten
year old figures that we can't build it
for that today and ask them if there's
more money money available the other the
other suggestion I have is is to ask the
the property owners if they wanted to
contribute some of this and by that I
mean that the major property owner there
is Northampton why so that no point
water water department because this
serves Hayden Bell Road is served mostly
by Northampton water
I think they own both sides of a bill
Road and then there was there was a
sport was a grass Hill Road that goes up
to the north where property owners are
which just by their property owners plus
there's Northampton waterworks Owens
water department owns property there so
I guess I would suggest writing to
Northampton Water Department say if you
want to maintain access to your property
do you wish to contribute to this
project because I assume they don't pay
taxes right being a public health but
not very amount of property that they
own there and another avenue that we
your on the south side i think is and
they it's you know the road is forever
closed there goes the state's access to
their property also right and so you
know if this happens to be the
Commonwealth I mean the Department of
Fish and Wildlife plan but it's still
their land and you would think that they
would have a vested interest in it also
as far as continuing to have access to
their property yeah do they not have an
access at all now they don't
there are durin parcels of land the
state owns all across the state then
just that doesn't have access and and
and i'm just pointing you know i know i
guess i just i just worry that that that
will be they have a waste of time yeah
and and william son on time the clock
ticks the water department does have
access right to them to them
hayden Verona and the other at the other
road now the other road is that is that
considered a town road they could try
this on grass will attract both discs
or discontinued okay and a hill is where
we have residents president okay it's a
meme Ville wrote all of it still
considered with our public road mileage
or only the part that's open just
Williamsburg Robert yes I mean
Williamsburg road again ladies were
drone is still contributing to our
mileage always the guests are like okay
yeah well I think we I'd like to see
these two options I presented to see
what response would get before we can we
decide on this in a way I understand we
have Brian ninety days to accept again
asked for contract
what's they've been documents the thirty
days but it's subject over an extension
by the contractor and I'm sure if they
want the work they really want to do it
within the reasonable period of time
yeah and you only need to have a two
percent inflation to have a $500,000
grant be worth five hundred ninety three
thousand dollars ten years later given
the ground was like provided in 2016
yeah the grant was yeah don't any of the
moments our language I don't believe
they changed it is is a capital hundred
thousand right yeah but yeah but in four
years at four percent
that's up to almost exactly what this
basement is yeah just I'm just saying
friends got a good point there and four
percent was spot on if it's only four
years service if it was ten years and
then be more like two percent but now I
know
I believe it was war but there had been
other communities that have been awarded
this grant money and have started down
the processes that they turn it they
turned it back because they can't afford
to do the work
I think I still think ask it's actually
if you if you go by the construction
cost index it's actually 4.2 percent
it's the figuring should the average
what you should be using state knows
that as well I still think it's worth
asking yeah that and tell them the
shortfall and what we stand I mean
present them the whole picture by not
just we want four percent more every for
four years Tom where we stand and maybe
though don't listen to us give us more
money I mean they're the ones who are
forcing us to build up more than half a
million dollars bridge in a place where
this shouldn't take ten years and it
shouldn't be you know upwards of a half
a million dollars to build it yes sorry
that's my rent I only get one what is
our should those avenues not succeed
what is our plan to start the project as
quickly as possible I mean as joist
perfectly quit seven in ten years and if
if the state says no then
we don't want I guess I guess my point
is I don't think you want to wait too
long for a state response that could be
painfully slow glacially slow to delete
a super long look ask him by response
within 90 days 60 days or whatever
another no thing that Brian and I
discussed them Brian did you get an
answer in regards to can we even sign a
contract yeah we don't have I need to
honey we need to figure out when we
considered chapter 90 funds available or
receipt by the time for purposes of
entering into a contract and you guys
are assuming that putting this back out
to bid again that's a two-month process
the cameras are so good in regards to we
won't get a better table right there
tight I can't foresee the only and then
we've already discussed things with our
engineer about trying to yank some thing
out and do sign and there's just nothing
effectively take out of the pit to try
to reduce it and still okay make it
happen
yeah I need like I said definitely by
the by year we just wanted to update you
but definitely by the next board meeting
I should have a better handle on what we
can do the alternate one ourselves for
and see how much that
be reduced this is the big difference
question I want to not forget to let
Harlan see the this question was what
are you not going to do if we spend
basically 0 after chapter 90 money and
then find it hard to believe that a
quarter million there's a chapter 90
money could go away on us which is
certainly one of the things I'm also
looking at in the near future needing to
happen that's up just about at the town
line and then swampy area needs the
replaced and so needing to do I
originally was also hoping to would this
some chapter 92 that I was sitting on to
do a notice of intent and get that call
been replaced so that's something that
would not happen it's gonna have to beat
deferred yep good luck for a big P money
that's one thing that we're we're hoping
to as soon as we get qualified to the
MVP you know we're pretty pretty soon
isn't it mine yeah that contract needs
to be wrapped up by June 30th but you
know that even the tiny event it's not
gonna help us so right for some others
what I'm having for the fur yeah okay
future but not for this project and
another thing that with the just where I
am at with the roads right now work not
in detrimental shape with conditions of
the roads and again I would still have a
whole nother allotment of chapter 90
available in July of 20
really not I'm still doing no I would
have it in 21 I mean I would have FY 22
I would have available July 21 so I'm
really not having to skip the year I
could foresee on this two major projects
you're gonna have this unchristian Lane
you know the culvert is you mentioned
one time and even the bridge on
Christian Lane is the only bridge in
town with its weight restrictions on it
so that there would not be trapped in
that you know but two major projects
that the town is gonna have to devote
resources to well shelter Nathan we
wouldn't have to develop any resources
on the bridge you think it a small
bridge painting on top of that
Brittany's gets replaced under federal
money we don't have to put okay and that
was a federal bridge okay
no no and here's another just ironic
thing is the bridges that we are
replacing are not eligible for federal
funds presently because there are less
than a 20 foot span the bridges that are
going to be going in are going to be a
40 foot span and a 50 foot span so when
they needed to be replaced a future
guess somebody designing was thinking
about the future
let it's okay I'd like to let Harley I
think you that your Hannover they thanks
fingers answers some of the questions
but I didn't want to point out piece
numbers just listening to him talk if I
remember correctly from what you said
Keith the $21,000 shortfall that takes
into consideration he took the
conservative chapter 90 money yes for
next year the low-end right so there's a
much better likelihood that that money
will be even close even close yeah
number one number two you're the $84,000
alternative one is certainly going to be
able to do that significantly cheaper
than any contractor that's probably
probably greater than 50 percent less so
if there should be yeah he'll have from
just what I'm hearing tonight with his
numbers it sounds like you know there's
never an excess but you're gonna it
could be covered now I do like the idea
are going back to the state I would save
your ink on writing to the City of
Northampton
we could get creative this I have some
ideas but and and as Jonathan spoke as
being the landowner up there that is
greatly affected by these bridges I
appreciate the fact that you are at
least at this point concerned about
moving forward and getting it done it's
it's time
thank you okay
anybody else have anything you want to
add to that so it sounds like there's no
decision at this point but we should
read the letters I mean that either I
think that I've been having Harlan's
write the read into the city and we
should do it but you know I wouldn't
write a bunch of follow-up letters
because I don't think they're gonna pay
any attention the certain lieutenant
Lindbergh is not gonna help us at all
and we should we should contact the
state but again it's it's having to deal
with with two different do T's which is
not as we were not fun so move to be
strategic about this but it's gonna be
quick yeah how much Northampton get in
marijuana no water for that no honey you
kidding for them pun intended
okay all right next up it was our other
fun project to discuss the status of
psychic reconstruction on just a
playground and winter maintenance I mean
I just sort of wanted to keep the
discussion going on this yeah I don't
keep up with Sarah Campbell Tuesday my
thanks Tuesday to try to finalize the
specifications there and I'm trying to
finish up some of the some of the big
documents for that group our plan is to
go forward it not specified within those
specifications
any of the any other sidewalk sidewalk
work that be the object the crosswalk
work thank you so I think we're pretty
close to moving that forward right yeah
looking pretty good
the last thing that she's gonna come
back and do is we need to come up with a
something that we can negotiate the way
the end between so she's preparing that
information for us to do that so bright
at the moment Ryan and I and the way the
end we'll sit down and see what we can
do with that walk back through there as
far as the last thing that that I had
pursued and talked to the engineer about
and she was going to look into and and
that is for the to delineate the
crosswalk was to mill and embed the
reflectors for you know parallel or
perpendicular across the road so that as
because one we continue to hear that one
of the things with the lights is the
residents do not want to see the lights
flashing all night long or even have to
look at the soul that you know the big
solar panel demo so consequently that
leaves us with another option of of
doing or the reflectors so that every
time a vehicle approaches their lights
will illuminate the crosswalk
and then when they drive by there'll be
no light left so I don't think it's just
the residence by the way who are against
the flash points you know I personally
out along again one of the biggest right
that we you know this that we definitely
have that's a little different is we are
not like over runs on the 147 and
there's there's a lot more pedestrian
traffic over there because of the
colleges and all the the kids that walk
to for to go to college and get out of
the apartments and go to the bus stop so
we don't have that kind of volume we can
certainly start I would say conservative
and then change things in the future if
we wanted to install flashing LEDs or
something like that that could be done
at a later time but then they might
become and I and again the same thing
goes with that that can be that could be
done at a later time as I said the
biggest dilemma we have there is is the
way the drainage is set does it go all
the way to the edges it's going between
the crosswalks so that doesn't go D
edges for for drainage purposes you at
least the ones on college link don't
okay then so the the cross Austin self
sign between dunks and so there's you
know complaining about speeding in that
part of town would welcome that but I
know you've also covered with well if
there's you know since some of that
traffic is trucks that's gonna be more
noise there so it's not clear right now
which which would be preferred by the
residents so it'd be premature than
thirty here but I do want it to be you
know
I did contact the city in Northampton in
the DPW and talked to the director there
and asked who what they've gotten from
complaints and she said it's it's the
butters that complain mmm
because of the noise his Bentley's
they've actually had to reduce some
there was an article of paper okay I can
touch screen is one of them streets and
we do I don't know what you'd say why I
mean I know but those is really how much
noise is created by just a little
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misalignment of at a bridge abutments
when a trucks go by
yeah and never mind yeah Adam no idea I
appreciate the noises though and that's
too bad last time
did you put the delineators in there is
is there a way to do it so it's not a
wheel path yes we'll pass you're gonna
get some know they'll some no we look we
would put them so that they won't be in
the wheel paths that be five five across
there'll be one like on the phone the
shoulder one in the middle of your wheel
one at the center line and then sort of
be five five on each approach from each
direction and the good scenario is that
I can compare them to right now if you
drive down route five north or south of
Christian Lane the reflectors that
you're like to pick up on the centerline
Lupita's basically what you
except across the road are you everybody
that any going across the road in the
area I have done some you know not
locally but there are areas that they
have they do even have implant embedded
ones that are LEDs but again they they
they flash all my yeah okay
don't they also make reflect the
crosswalk pain yes and that will be part
of the plant that is part of the plan
okay that's what we use in Northampton
on on Elm Street
yeah so it it will be thermal plastic
which is got glass beads okay the next
is the letter that will mark a
disgusting okay Jonathan for me that
that has been shipped off to study group
to a study group friend so it's
predatory so even pretty book we'll
discuss it later on when I read craft
something okay okay sure that we can't
like just change the others say get it
out of purgatory
we know purgatory is until until until
the end of the second session so you
know everything it was sponsored it was
sponsored by comfort
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but we'll revisit matter in the next
couple weeks
all right okay I'll make them into given
shorter a good means even sorry
now the next item I don't think it'll
ministration budgets
yeah so we're gonna lose okay the least
maybe we could point Shelley yeah that
Yonkers GIM Chi Yong agency yep right to
the Recreation Commission I'd like to
nominate Shelley to the recreation can
that's almost certainly don't have any
further discussion
I'm a favor all right there ain't great
oh my gosh we're gonna be out of here by
7:00 that's depending upon Brian being a
good boys ma'am he's not the only one at
this table who sometimes needs to be a
good shot boy to use an overly gender
specific term okay down administrator
update so I'm wondering if you guys well
the center school committee is wondering
if you have time up March 19th to here
oh yeah their recommendation report
thank you God what the week ago no I've
got most of the week but I'm actually my
plate is now seven and something it's
not late I came here for that market are
there recommendations going to be
consistent with the mandate that they
would give
so you say has it completely yeah I
couldn't see her but I just would
caution that there was a mandate and
that mandate was very specific with with
what we were what we asked them to do so
yes I yes some of the things in the
mandate have identified appointment of
work have been done or will be done
because there's no say expertise on the
committee to do it well that's why we
were trying to maximize the level of
expertise on that committee originally
and we did reach out to people that
would help us but they declined her and
never showed up so could we let the
committee make their report before we
start tearing it apart no I'm not
tearing apart I'm just wondering what
what we're gonna see that's all okay
6:30 do you say on the 19th or is it six
I don't know for me it won't matter
zooming my plane is on time I'll be in
mid-afternoon so you said six okay
marginal 19th you say yeah I have a soft
County EMS board over same here
do it at five
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if it's and I don't know if they can do
it fine right I don't know more than an
hour a weekend weekend I can you know
what I'll work around the GMs well
they're available at 5:00 we've been
meeting at 5:00 most of the time anyway
so I can ask for five this five
preferred is six Abeka that help you
yeah and I just be able to link to the
portal is everything okay they
appreciate having a larger period of
time than 10 15 minutes 20 minutes of
them joining one of a regular meetings
so okay okay good all right I'm sorry
proposed zoning amendments to the solar
by law that's included in your packet
make it also since I think I saw four
did you email the public hearing for
that is scheduled for March 10th so if
you have comments you can submit them to
them - what you're hearing so Delilah
and then doses sold by law what type
March 10th at 6:45 we can submit written
comments
there's a Finance Committee in the
divorce like the meeting your finance at
6:00 I'll put it on the counter here I
have some kind of general comment do you
want it now or not well for an echo with
aquifer protection district you talk
about storage of Midori yeah I just
suggest a definition of what that is
I mean this menorah there's compost and
maybe other things what that is and and
the other thing is maybe involved the
Board of Health
in some decision as to whether that's
what what it constitutes or not who's
going to decide what it is you could
support a healthier make of the decision
let me let me talk a little bit about
what's driving this okay
which kind of it gets into the water
version project update so there was a it
was brought to the attention of the
water superintendent water commissioners
of a manure pile that was adjacent to
the pump house and new house no they
just impossible and they consulted with
mass DEP as to what you know what what's
a proper course of action for that a
mess DEP came back with the
recommendation and they said oh by the
way we know that you're trying to merge
it to water systems in order to do that
you need to have have adopted
regulations I don't know exactly what
the CMRS but regulations for years own -
for your for your for your well heads so
zone one is the area mediate around
don't kill was larger it's based on how
much gallons per minute you pump it's
where you were what the boundaries
you need to have regulations for zone 2
that comply with CMR I don't know myself
what exactly this and I'm sure there's
historical reason for this but in the
zoning by others our protection overlay
district which has pretty much those
regulations verbatim - the manure
language so I on I keep we can kind of
guess maybe but that may have been taken
out at some point but long story short
um in order for us to merge the two
water systems they need to have that
language in a regulation well at the
same time that's the EP said we're not
gonna tell you what you need what else
you need for your permits we're gonna
tell you but this is you need this till
we apply which isn't kind of frustrated
so anyways that's why that language is
in there so that exact language that is
in there is from the CMR I know the I
believe the question was asked of nasty
people that means and the other the
other it came up in the context of
what's a stockpile and the I don't think
they provided any guidance whatsoever as
to what a stockpile is
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definition oh that's pretty
self-explanatory Wow there could be a
compost manure will be kentucky compost
could be depending what's in there so I
mean it's it's possible three cigarettes
and common sense kind of afternoon today
okay okay but it's safe to say they will
not approve the merger without this
firewall on being in effect correct
that's what they said meanwhile they
also said well we're not gonna tell you
what else you need to apply right
because we wanted to be proactive but
yes it's pretty clear that they said if
we don't have regulations consistent
with the CM ours that they are not going
to is anyone gonna give us some fee for
that variety this bylaw a beef
uh well I can tell you that so any more
thought to be talked about for my job
any existing manure stockpile that's an
existence of the date the notice of the
public hearing is filed it's technically
grandfathered till it be any it be new
no it's not piles of manure
did you force a yes you may I need to
Gianluca number afternoon town returned
my wheelhouse I hope I did a technical
assistance and training for public water
supply operators for thirty years they
just retired a couple years ago but a
training in this stated that with the
reward Association we Hampshire Vermont
and here and I started off I start
awfully well the protection plans
so there's own one's own to stuff that's
like what and I have no messages for
last several years but so one is in
isolation Sun and Moon or clouds in the
isolation zone a zone to sure you can
have Zone two contributes water to the
zone one you know I mean it is it might
is the pump house right down on the
Hatfield side of just is over happy
Christenson your no okay but it's over
there close to the highway yeah yeah
so the highways right there that's me
this biggest risk we got so that well is
I would yes and then and if I remember
use them came over here for the village
system there's a well up off of whatever
under the right you know that whatever
the always say there's a waves burger
I'm gonna bail yeah
no senator town and so when you
emergently just merging both systems
physically so the water from those wells
is also contributing yeah it's just
gonna be a bit downs well so that
stuff's offline that that starts things
off line to them both of our district
correct okay so ility Gianluca w-k-n-o
you carryin yes I moved I'd what a house
down here in September I retired to the
warmth deaf West one New Hampshire is
retired to the warmth of nest you to
meet you what's that like not I've been
offered his license I just I just
trained nice try okay you know the DEP
will get there we don't want to ruffle
their feathers no and if if they want a
bylaw we got we should give them a bylaw
otherwise they're gonna say well get a
biology dopes
we told you hey okay my advice would be
if he was always given what they need do
what you have to do break Danny baby
paper that's what keeps them happy so
shown table right and and I think I'm
just wondering which committee did liked
appointed I think as you you seem
like you know somebody anybody would
like to work with friendship
well I I'm painting my painting inside
I'll bleeping painters I don't know if I
want to come see the conservation
because I'm trying to start that story
into the town of this oh okay
oh that's a lovely committee to start
with it meaning tonight they're
discussing this project so and last I
know I want to be dirty superintendents
the water percentages in the other
culture characters always looking for
people I see the Wilson over there for
raises Hatfield's well on the other side
of wine yeah and then like rule
something that's spinning from the
highway make you spend a nice from the
highway to get spit across the river but
yeah but we don't do that right all
right okay um so so anyways just to wrap
up the water merchants project update so
that's one in front of Kahn's column in
ten minutes looking to get the there was
a notice of a temp file for the for the
proposed booster station north of the
center cemetery so hopefully that will
be granted tonight and then would be
applying them as DEP for the system
modification divided two systems
and then I'm sure we'll give us a whole
checklist of other things I mean are we
on are we on time are we on schedule
um it doesn't sound like this entire I
don't feel like we are no no I would
like to see this I would have liked to
see this going from the Conservation
Commission in September October I don't
think their engineer was very responsive
would it be asking too much of for the
next meeting we see a project timeline I
think that would be fine may that be a
good idea
I mean so assuming Conservation
Commission approves it tonight and it's
going to go to the to the right let's
see it on a Gantt chart or whatever it
is you know it's gonna go to mass DEP
and then your guess is as good as mine
that flicker gets under outline we just
we just don't want it to be you know
world series time and we're still in the
same spot
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put it out to bid and well yeah all
right let's see if I'm on timeline for
the next meter so um I have a request
from a representative of Cove estro if
they would be willing to meet to discuss
their king I think the king up some
plans for expansion yeah and they wanted
to meet how big was that right well it
could be any time
and I don't you talked to Jonathan to
see if you wanted to sit in on that
meeting because I've had a lot of big
names in the crest Rhea I remember they
are going to they are my guess is they
are going to and I don't want to make
Joyce mad but you know what they're
gonna ask for this
this is a - Biff I'm sorry they'll ask
for a tenth you say well okay - a big
one here two years and I'm sometimes a
dif well no they change their has
nothing they change their structure and
apartment before and they change their
structure going to be done but I am
thanks in that I do
yes okay I'm talking too much um send me
little AIDS
okay wait when you you're gone the we
build the knife yes morning morning
afternoons better late afternoon I just
bring something up here Oh Jonathan
solar vitalize mmm I've been informed by
somebody person in town that other two
other counts involved their Agriculture
Commission to decide on what is prime
agricultural land and we refer to that
in here it's been a narrative past it
and I don't know you know the three of
us deciding or a board like this
deciding what's private land we don't
know and they involved their
agricultural commissioned to get
involved and sign off on it so I guess I
would suggest this goes to the
Agriculture Commission and see if they
want at least aware of the meeting and
if they want to be involved in it
because there are several references in
here on
agricultural land was applying in paying
back chapter funds for certain parts of
that land yeah they're the ones that
well I think she should be involved in
it making you have some say in it we
could ask them if they don't want to
well that's fine but I think there needs
to be in that coordination so I guess
Brian I would ask you to send it to them
are asked the Planning Board to send it
to them everybody's into the meeting I
even say there are references to prime
agricultural lands in there that they
may wonder why participating I can ask
you this on top of the Bible over
without even send up a copy of the
proposed bylaw to number I sure they
have it yeah we refer to federal estate
definition of soils I think that's what
they're referring to is the two
Commission's the idea although they're
gonna you got to talk to people on the
air Commission and again it's one
person's before because another person's
primary pitch is one person I'll say it
a little bit of parcel is it's great at
Pharma another amounts in excuse me but
they're still probably unless we were
three farmers better they're not
psychotic relatives yeah I know I don't
know yeah see you later Joe
I don't know at the time that you want
comments from us and I think I emailed
this to you but I worried that basically
it sounds like we want them to get the
electric company to tell them exactly
what other infrastructure they're gonna
have to put up on the transmission line
and I think that will stop any solar
development in our town period I am
Marie and I think that has to come out
unless they can demonstrate that there
is a law that says that your company has
to respond within a certain amount of
time on an application and and and
knowing what I do as an electrical
engineer I don't think the electric
company can necessarily tell you without
having to do a lot of other calculations
and thinking that it's just I don't
think that's reasonable and I think that
would happen
I for me to be able to say I support
this viola
I asked versus life I got in touch with
our friend from every source to try
again some informal advice as to what
what conversations in information is
exchanged between potential developers
and eversource prior to your permitting
I missed them send me mail back
so but yeah and even our even our
experience here has shown that you don't
know locations till we get out there and
we consider many other things but but
where this is coming from I think
they're they're aware of the latest
solar farms that were were developed and
Christian Lane and they're not online
because of the regulators that they want
to put in town and and and I think they
want to make sure that doesn't happen in
the future locations what I think they
think you can't you can't no no
constraint on the electricity delivery
infrastructure in that any day they may
have to put these things up regardless
of solar there's I mean there's not like
one single reason why a transformer has
to go up and it could certainly be that
the solar farms are one influence on it
but it's not gonna be this whole reason
in any is it's not this I mean they're
they're putting these things up we were
crawling through the hills right up
Masterson Road of what we wrote up all
over the but there aren't any solar
firms out there but they still have to
with that infrastructure to keep the
voltage regulated it's an unreasonable
request and unless they've got another
town that passes by law and can show
something like oh this is the reason why
people will get a response from the
electric company so this will not put a
halt to every solar program at Mike
Mullen go in I mean they're already
restricting the size to 10 acres they're
already restricting they're putting a
lot of restrictions in general those
plus two and a half acres
so yeah but so the maximum of twelve and
a half acres is going to be you know not
that we have any that are much bigger
than that in our town is only what 13
acres now a chain okay this one yeah
right so so I think there's enough other
restrictions and that one is really not
reasonable for you know for a renewable
energy facility I think the battery
things are good because the batteries do
need and I suspect here they've actually
got data on where you should have the
setbacks and what kind of facility it
should be and my understanding is they
may be they need to be in a controlled
temperature kind of situation those
things I don't have any problem with if
they don't really want to limit things
to 12 and a half acres but I don't want
to limit it to zero and that's exactly
what that other provisions would do and
I hate to probably read the ones that
they've got to read a second time but
that's the one that sticks out to me as
unfair and that's somebody trying to
bring that industry to a halt in our
town
and I don't think that's fair so anyway
to RINs today I'm so sorry
then I was in the middle of town
administrator updates some grants are
welcome
No thank you but they really really
gotta keep me under control later thing
I know is that they've talked about
three years for chapter land back okay
we'll go five years I think so also when
you pack there's a post seen roads by
walk yes which I hope is what was
controversial but what I was - what I
was confused about is nothing showed
that big orange italic subtly no it's
all - oh it's all completely yeah so
that makes it one of the mysteries when
we had her since I was here the first
pump seen it brokes
public hearing that we have was looking
for the byline
it's a the statutes of local opt-in
statute who so you've got the opt-in to
the statute when you wrote to designate
the roads and then you're supposed to
adopt a local file on well that last
part never really got done but we had so
we had to state regulations and let the
boats designate it so that's how that
five but I mean the way the motivation
for doing this is is to really not have
not have the cost associated with the
public hearings for really cases where
the trees are yet you know we have to
have weird hearing for some of the ones
I've just nothing wrong in those most
restricting behind them yeah which it
does seem silly to have to hold a
hearing for them yeah and then the other
one was by the replacement us don't
walls it kind yeah if you know move on
but you got to put them back on boarding
require hearing okay so that's a general
violate so that doesn't it does not
require a public hearing okay
the other thing I just wanted to let got
the board know that the police chiefs
contract is up at the end of June as
part of as part of the discussion Joyce
and I have had with we have Chiefs of
eating we have touched on he did have a
request for a salary adjustment so we
really make sense to consider that in
the context of of his contract
negotiation so I just wanted to with
what careful board know that those
discussions have been happening because
it's helpful to have a budget number it
doesn't mean that the contract needs to
be signed or fully negotiated but it's
easier to have a budget number the other
alternative is that there needs to be a
later appropriation yeah
if we're not going to adjust that budget
number now but it kind of made sense to
talk about it because we also have
recommendations from the Personnel
Committee that'll be coming for salary
adjustments as well like your job is
just for a point of information and if
there's a gift
well Jonathan's gone now I guess you
didn't have any objections okay but Jack
neo Charlton for the opportunity say
anything yeah to let us know nothing
nothing's gonna be decided obviously and
then the last thing there's there's a
trade you probably know about this
there's a note from frontier yeah but
they want to use some of their in
refunds yeah they're getting the funds
to to take out some of the capital big
Hospital yes capital or deferred
maintenance kind of stuff they look and
I think this is I think believe this is
the timing of both both I'll
double-check they want to use 100 in
115,000 of their excess and deficiency
money to make improvements to the gym
Korean bleachers Locker MS Monica right
missus been caged vials stair treads gym
floor Jamaa kurz radios yeah most types
of things it was on their capitalist
that they prepared last year but that
they decided not to bond for it okay no
is that rare you know but is it a indeed
part of the regular budget you guys have
equivalent up our fee caps rated item I
don't think we both things and neither
do we we're at their meeting they need
permission to spend up well they're just
a line item in your budget
yeah I don't remember having tell
meeting boats they're like a separate
one from the school budget regarding
their Indian less we were appropriating
the money for but you know I am NOT the
yeah municipal the water that we have a
little bit it's just the committee's
proposed amendment shall be effective it
is if it is approved by two-thirds of
the local appropriating authorities Oh
which is ten leading to meet a local
appropriating authorities is Tempe to
stop me okay alright well then this is
something that's a little new to me yeah
maybe it should have been done in the
past maybe you think we have a double
follow the letter of the law well
they're voting a proposed amendment to
the previously approved FY 20 but Rick
oh okay and our sure this is what 11
percent 14 percent
yes that money they are asses but it's
money they learn yet that we have
contributed and cooking somewhere
between 11 and 15 percent to right over
the years okay okay so that's more about
fYI heads up you know yep yeah movie
we've seen together days okay you have
anything else
I don't think so a special surprise
Polly in the end can make one up okay
well then oh sorry
send it through this stuff you are
cordially invited wow this is really
Lady Jaye have filled this is dated
January 2nd 2020 maybe you guys work
look on the B list can then think I've
replies back to those space but dear
select board of Whateley you are invited
to the 350th hatfield anniversary
steering committee request the pleasure
of your presence on may 31st
yes incorporation day ceremony
so and these are the preliminary
schedule method you can participate or
maybe watch historical recreation
replication historical recreation of the
river crossing from Hadley to the
Hatfield live a river cropping we plant
anywhere for crossing for our 250th we
should well I think that is too trouble
and I'm when we were part of Hatfield
was when River crossing was an issue so
apparently the wreath this is what then
deep deep are dwell backs us up we when
we were both with the Hatfield and used
to be with Hadley broke on from Hadley
primarily because too many people were
losing their lives crossing the river to
get to the church on the other side to
be in town you end of a church so those
a church on this side and we became that
field and then I can't really get a
straight story how I have lately split
from Hatfield but it was probably more
interesting because people won't talk
about it solution so we should walk from
hat hatchet hill to Wheatley we should
just walk which is his walk right up
pantry road but there was there was a
tall crossing to Sunderland before the
bridge went in oh really
vote yes there's some bad yeah there was
a tall no 15 cents or whatever back in
the early days right now
yeah with bridges now is crosses to do
though but maybe it was a little further
stat yeah
yeah what's under the blue attended
later hair 350th or whatever they just
had 300 they didn't have a river
crossing or Wheatley oh sorry
anyways you're invited I'm invited I'm
happy all right anything else I don't
think so I know other part of aviation
Tayna most and then motion to adjourn
second on favor
you